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watertrade Calm and Collected
Number of posts : 260 Location : Canberra Registration date : 2008-05-16
| Subject: health of degrafted plants Fri May 30, 2008 1:46 pm | |
| Hi, Just wondering if anyone could comment on the health of degrafted plants once they regrow roots. I read they often are not as healthy as their naturally rooted brother and sisters? And often they are more susceptible to disease. Would like to hear people’s opinions? | |
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Hellonasty Admin
Number of posts : 1824 Location : NSW Registration date : 2008-04-04
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Fri May 30, 2008 4:56 pm | |
| I've only degrafted a few lophos. Rooted easily and are growing fine. No disease issues. Thats about all I can say. I think Kada has a fair bit of exprience degrafting. | |
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trigonus Admin & Cactus Fiend
Number of posts : 879 Location : coastal NSW 1°C - 40°C Registration date : 2008-01-23
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Fri May 30, 2008 5:14 pm | |
| Pretty much the same here as HN's experiences. Where is Kada? He always has good info on this sort of stuff. | |
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Kada Calm and Collected
Number of posts : 204 Location : International Registration date : 2008-04-05
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 4:39 am | |
| in my opinion, there are 2 things both to do with roots. if it is a tap root specie you gain the advantage of no taproot...taproots, or at least lack of many capillary roots, slows growth and tap roots seem easier to be affected by rot.
a disadvantage, especially with large degrafts, is when they dry they become concave or whatever that shape is called. they indent, which is bad with excessive water as it will form a little condensation which may possibly lead to rot. but if you cut it ok and let it dry ok without much dehydration, its perfect.
but for disease and such i haven't seen any difference in my own plants....
hollonasty/trig you guy got any degrafted astros? they tend to grow much faster than seed grown because of their capillary roots vs the larger roots of teh seed grown ones.
also small cut size helps....hylocereus grafts for example when de grafted have a much smaller cut surface area than a large stenocereus graft. | |
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Hellonasty Admin
Number of posts : 1824 Location : NSW Registration date : 2008-04-04
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 11:24 am | |
| Good info Kada. All my astros are either still on graft or seed grown. I will remove one or two of the bigger ones after next growing season. Sounds good.
Whats your astro rooting method? I have heard of people using 24hr artificial light for some difficult to root species. | |
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watertrade Calm and Collected
Number of posts : 260 Location : Canberra Registration date : 2008-05-16
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 11:34 am | |
| Thanks guys - its good to know. I have a large Astro myriostigma which was cut pretty high up - and as a result the bottom has dried very concave. I hope it puts out some roots soon! | |
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watertrade Calm and Collected
Number of posts : 260 Location : Canberra Registration date : 2008-05-16
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Kada Calm and Collected
Number of posts : 204 Location : International Registration date : 2008-04-05
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 1:00 pm | |
| this is one of the main reasons hylocereus is used for astro grafts....you dont want to cut them in half...that makes them worth no money. cut the hylo stock as short as you can and then try and cut chunks out until there is no hylo left but the scion is uncut...if that makes sens. that way your astros keep a natural look and often root much faster.....BUT if they are grafted to a columnar type cactus, there is little choice but to actually cut them. i always use a rooting powder, not to promote root sbut to allow the cut to dry more evenly without huge dehydration. | |
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Hellonasty Admin
Number of posts : 1824 Location : NSW Registration date : 2008-04-04
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 1:32 pm | |
| Your astro is a Myrio cv Hakuun a really nice cultivar. The Hylo looks like it had rot not sunburn ? I don't think it would be possible to sunburn a plant in the ACT this time of year anyway. | |
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watertrade Calm and Collected
Number of posts : 260 Location : Canberra Registration date : 2008-05-16
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 1:52 pm | |
| - Hellonasty wrote:
- Your astro is a Myrio cv Hakuun a really nice cultivar. The Hylo looks like it had rot not sunburn ? I don't think it would be possible to sunburn a plant in the ACT this time of year anyway.
If it is rot I'm sure it has followed sunburn - delighted by finishing my greenhouse I thought would introduce my plants to it - I figured the canberra sun wouldn't be too hot this time of year and the film I used was a good difused film. anyway I put my whole collection in there - a day or two later I came back and pretty much all the hylocereus & trichocereus had burn on the side facing the sun. Some have recovered. with the vents closed it was in the high 40s when the outside temp was in the low teens I now make sure I vent the greenhouse during the day and close it up at night. I designed it to get maximum sun in the middle of canberras winter. I guess it works. I just have to work on keeping the heat in at night! I'm getting some nice winter growth. | |
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Hellonasty Admin
Number of posts : 1824 Location : NSW Registration date : 2008-04-04
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 2:20 pm | |
| Your green house sounds awsome....high 40s in the act. Good work WT. Now just don't kll al your plants | |
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parrotsheaven Calm and Collected
Number of posts : 464 Location : Corio. Victoria Registration date : 2008-05-14
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 2:27 pm | |
| Would love to see pictures of your greenhouse .................. How big is it? | |
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watertrade Calm and Collected
Number of posts : 260 Location : Canberra Registration date : 2008-05-16
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 3:02 pm | |
| You shouldn't get me started about my greenhouse. I can post elsewhere if the mods like to preserve this thread but here goes. Basically it’s a double skinned solar greenhouse (not all double skinned yet) that is designed specifically for my garden and Canberra. There are two insulated solid walls and the rest in thermax plastic. It’s designed so in the middle of Canberra’s winter I get full light penetration and in summer the penetration is reduced. Its all solar azimuth angles and what not. Its still a few months away from finished but when it’s done it should be pretty good. I'm putting in a paved floor once my friend takes up their parents back garden. my secret weapon will be a heat storage system that I've never seen before - it basically works like 'Rock charging' greenhouses on a commercial scale - but I will be using beers bottles full of water. I've done my calculations and I should be able to heat my greenhouse (when fully double skinned) at night and cool during the day - I should be able to keep the night temps pretty high. As soon as I get some spare time I will build a practice one just to make sure it’s going to work. Anyway some pics. Ignore the messy back yard – the clean up comes after a few other projects. These pics are of roughly what it’s like at the moment. Still in construction mode. and some of my cacti -they are all pretty young nothing too special yet either. | |
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watertrade Calm and Collected
Number of posts : 260 Location : Canberra Registration date : 2008-05-16
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 3:11 pm | |
| - Hellonasty wrote:
- Your green house sounds awsome....high 40s in the act. Good work WT. Now just don't kll al your plants
The first time I do anything - a plant is almost guaranteed to die. certainly a learning curve! Betty - it’s about 14 square meters of floor space | |
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Hellonasty Admin
Number of posts : 1824 Location : NSW Registration date : 2008-04-04
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 3:26 pm | |
| Looks awesome. Some nice plants there too | |
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parrotsheaven Calm and Collected
Number of posts : 464 Location : Corio. Victoria Registration date : 2008-05-14
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 3:34 pm | |
| Wow it looks great !!! Those euphorbia obesa look they would eat mine for breakfast | |
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watertrade Calm and Collected
Number of posts : 260 Location : Canberra Registration date : 2008-05-16
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watertrade Calm and Collected
Number of posts : 260 Location : Canberra Registration date : 2008-05-16
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hornet
Number of posts : 112 Location : brisbane Registration date : 2008-04-26
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 3:44 pm | |
| are all euphorbia like that, with separate sexes on separate plants? | |
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calycium Moderator
Number of posts : 416 Location : Adelaide, SA Registration date : 2008-04-06
| Subject: Re: health of degrafted plants Sat May 31, 2008 8:42 pm | |
| WT, awesome looking greenhouse - very envious! | |
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