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PostSubject: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptySun Jan 09, 2011 7:29 pm

Wondering if anyone has experience using Pereskia species as grafting stock? Would they confer comparable growth rates to scions as Pereskiopsis species do?
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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptySun Jan 09, 2011 10:12 pm

Tripsis,

I have never used Pereskia as stock so I can't give you first hand experience. A few people here and at other forums have suggested it but I can't remember any trials being done. My opinion is that it won't be a good performer, but who knows until you try it. I would have said the same thing about Pereskiopsis Smile

Do you have one ? Give it a shot.




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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptySun Jan 09, 2011 10:28 pm

I don't have one, but would like to see how they perform. Not commonly sold, so not easy to get.
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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyMon Jan 10, 2011 3:16 am

Well, Pereskia does grow wild in a few coastal parts of Queensland and northern NSW, particularly on the banks of rivers. It is on the Federal Alert List For Environmental Weeds... so it's probably pretty hardy Laughing but you may wish to consider whether you really want it growing, particularly if you're in a warm, damp climate.
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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyMon Jan 10, 2011 7:47 am

tripsis

I did grafting using Pereskia aculeata around 40 years ago.
I have never seen Pereskia in Australia.
Since grafting method is differnt from Pereskiopsis, you have to select larger scions.
Grownig speed of the scion is very good, higher than Pereskiopsis.

Pereskia aculeata can use as grafting stocks.
Pereskia aculeata v godseffiana can not use as grafting stocks.

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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyMon Jan 10, 2011 8:22 am

I have tried P. aculeata and grandifolia, but without success.
Perhaps I did something wrong, using the same technique as on Pereskiopsis?

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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyMon Jan 10, 2011 9:08 am

Thanks for the replies. Smile

What technique did you use on Pereskia Hanazono? I was hoping that the scion used might need to be larger, but that the growth rates were still very fast. It sounds like this is the case.
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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyMon Jan 10, 2011 12:37 pm

Alex and tripsis

1. Stock
Cut 2 faces and make a wedge shape on the top of the stock.

2. Scion
Slit bottom of scion by a knife.

3. Insert top of the stock, wedge into the slit.
The diameter of scion should be 3 times or more than the dimater of the stock top.
If the scion was small, the scion will be split to two.

4. Push a large cactus spin into the scion and stock and tie the scion and the stock.

Since scion will be a large plant quickly you need a support.
I used a wiremesh laid horizontally.
Stocks were under wiremesh and scions were above the the mesh.
Wiremesh could support large scions.

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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyMon Jan 10, 2011 3:02 pm

Thanks for the detailed method Hanazono.

By cactus pin do you mean a cactus spine? Does it not cause problems with rot?

I'll have to find some Pereskia, one way or another...
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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyMon Jan 10, 2011 3:47 pm

tripsis

Yes I should write as "a cactus spine".
It will be not happened any problems including rotting from the cactus spine.

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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyMon Jan 10, 2011 3:59 pm

Ah right, sorry, I should have got that. Good to know, slippery grafts often make life difficult, so being able to pin them in place would certainly help.
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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyTue Jan 11, 2011 9:38 pm

I've got a small Pereskia cutting going in a pot at the moment... it's only a little tacker at this point, but if I can coax some growth out of it I should be in a position to send out some pieces in the near future.
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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyTue Jan 11, 2011 11:07 pm

Do you know which species? I'd be very keen for a cutting when you have one available. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyWed Jan 12, 2011 2:15 pm

At a guess, it's probably P. aculeata cv. Godseffiana... it's an old garden ornamental with peach-coloured foliage.
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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyWed Jan 12, 2011 2:59 pm

If it is, it might not be any good.

to quote hanazono above:

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Pereskia aculeata can use as grafting stocks.
Pereskia aculeata v godseffiana can not use as grafting stocks.
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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyWed Jan 12, 2011 9:43 pm

tripsis

I said I had never seen Pereskia aculeata in Australia but I knew there was aculeata v godseffiana.
Some years ago I bought aculeata v godseffiana from WA.
I knew aculeata v godseffiana was not suit for grafting stock but I tried grafting.
Several scions were taken but they did not grow at all.
Aculeata v godseffiana has peach colored foliage.
All stocks went into a bin.

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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyThu Jan 13, 2011 12:27 am

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I wouldn't class it as a particularly fast grower... I've had this plant since mid november and it hasn't exactly done much in the way of growing since then.
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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyWed Feb 09, 2011 1:21 am

Collected some green Pereskia aculeata cuttings today. It has to be the least cactus-looking cactus I've ever set eyes upon. Large, green and fairly soft leaves, small hooked thorns, rather than spines, at the bases of the petioles and long, slender stems. The older stems had definite spines though. It was much thinner, in terms of stem diameter, than I was expected. Will see how they root now. Seems like it shouldn't be as easy as other cacti due to being so little like other cacti, but we'll see.
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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyWed Feb 09, 2011 9:50 am

Keep us posted !

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PostSubject: Re: Using Pereskia species as grafting stock   Using Pereskia species as grafting stock EmptyWed Feb 09, 2011 10:03 am

I shall do.
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