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San Rainbow
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PostSubject: CITES papers   CITES papers EmptyTue Jun 03, 2008 7:35 pm

do you pay one fee (CITES papers) for all seed or for each variety of seed purchased?

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PostSubject: Re: CITES papers   CITES papers EmptyTue Jun 03, 2008 7:56 pm

No idea have never got cites papers Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: CITES papers   CITES papers EmptyTue Jun 03, 2008 8:28 pm

I am assuming one cert per order, any know how much kohres kakteen would charge for cites cert?

why don't you get cites cert Betty?
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PostSubject: Re: CITES papers   CITES papers EmptyTue Jun 03, 2008 8:37 pm

I just order the seeds and have never thought about wether I need one. Have had no trouble when they have been checked by quarantine.
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PostSubject: Re: CITES papers   CITES papers EmptyTue Jun 03, 2008 8:44 pm

It is my understanding that you will only need CITES papers if the seed is actually collected from the wild in Mexico, USA, Bolivia, etc. I may be wrong, but am pretty sure that's how it works.

It's one certificate per lot of seeds I think? Pretty sure Kohres charges $22, if that's euros, that's around $45 I think? Pretty exxy. Mesa Gardens charge $12 I think?

I have never required a CITES certificate, so I am no expert. I have, however purchased seeds internationally.


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PostSubject: Re: CITES papers   CITES papers EmptyTue Jun 03, 2008 8:49 pm

Trig I think you are right. You have jogged a bit of the brain matter Wink

San Rainbow you won't need a cite papers if you order from Kohres
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PostSubject: Re: CITES papers   CITES papers EmptyTue Jun 03, 2008 9:21 pm

parrotsheaven wrote:
Trig I think you are right. You have jogged a bit of the brain matter Wink

San Rainbow you won't need a cite papers if you order from Kohres


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PostSubject: Re: CITES papers   CITES papers EmptyTue Jun 03, 2008 10:04 pm

Guys,
trig nailed it perfectly - IF the seed is grown from Mexico and the like - another words it is NOT grown by a collecter - but collected from the wild (and rare) it will require a CITES certificate to import. Order from Europe, I say - do away with the trauma. Although, they might get seed through CITES themselves, and you pay for the loading costs on the seed, hence sometimes a bit dearer.


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PostSubject: Re: CITES papers   CITES papers EmptyFri Jun 06, 2008 5:33 am

for seeds, cites is not needed for App. 2 species, except Mexican sp, only App. 1.

*all* cacti plants except Pereskia,
Pereskiopsis and Quiabentia and plants lacking chlorophyl grafted to Harrisia 'Jusbertii', Hylocereus trigonus or Hylocereus
undatus do not need paperwork....ironically technically the species used for grafting above need paperwork on their own, but not when grafted...whack. that is, if i read their info right.



this is from their webpage:

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Artificially propagated specimens
of the following hybrids and/or cultivars are not subject to the provisions
of the Convention:
Hatiora x graeseri

Schlumbergera x buckleyi
Schlumbergera
russelliana
x Schlumbergera truncata
– Schlumbergera orssichiana
x Schlumbergera truncata
– Schlumbergera opuntioides
x Schlumbergera truncata
– Schlumbergera truncata
(cultivars)
– Cactaceae spp.
colour mutants lacking chlorophyll, grafted on the following grafting stocks:
Harrisia 'Jusbertii', Hylocereus trigonus or Hylocereus
undatus

Opuntia microdasys (cultivars).

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All parts and derivatives, except:
a) seeds, except those from Mexican cacti originating in Mexico, and pollen;
b) seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro, in solid or liquid media,
transported in sterile containers;
c) cut flowers of artificially propagated plants;
d) fruits and parts and derivatives thereof of naturalized or artificially
propagated plants; and
e) sepa

from the plants and parts i have sent to AUS it seems to matter far more you follow the australian quarantine procedures and whatever else there is than cites.
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PostSubject: Re: CITES papers   CITES papers EmptyFri Jun 06, 2008 6:37 am

cheers kada Wink
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